tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7159579060332591141.post1605457113358789945..comments2023-12-30T00:13:46.213-05:00Comments on Abandon Image: Playing Cards With Mark DriscollTia Lynnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08131181929874342944noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7159579060332591141.post-83285867539730124752010-07-21T17:46:43.979-04:002010-07-21T17:46:43.979-04:00Ted S.,
if you look at the Hebrew word that is use...Ted S.,<br />if you look at the Hebrew word that is used for desire in Gen 3:16 and go to Genesis 4:7 you will find that it is the same Hebrew word that is used in both instances. God's warning to Cain is that "sin is crouching at the door; and it's desire is for you, but you must master it". <br /><br />Clearly in the context of Genesis 4:7, you could say that sin is try to rule over Cain. <br /><br />Some words in Hebrew can be used to mean something different. Song of Solomon's 7:10 uses that word this way: I am my beloved's, and his desire is toward me. So in that context desire is used as you defined it in your last post.<br /><br />So this leads us then to the question, what does the writer mean's in Gen 3:16 when he uses the word desire. I think it is pretty clear that the writer meant to convey that the women's desire would be to rule over her husband in the same way sin desired to rule over Cain. I say this because in the same sentence that writer says that your "desire shall be for your husband" it says that "he shall rule over you". It doesn't make sense to me that he would talk about a longing for intimacy and than suddenly switch over to talking about her husband having authority over her. <br /><br />- AndreVCC-Extensionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032986641614444199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7159579060332591141.post-5224525153402313962010-04-06T23:39:37.441-04:002010-04-06T23:39:37.441-04:00Robin, in her comments above, stated: "God...Robin, in her comments above, stated: "God's very curse upon Eve and womankind includes the malediction that women will desire to have authority over men."<br /><br />I have heard something along this theme quoted so many times, but I have yet to see where in the Bible such a claim is actually made. It does say in Genesis 3:16: "your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you." <br /><br />By what twisted logic can we exegete that to mean that "women will desire to have authority over men"?<br /><br />Is it not more likely that the curse is that the the woman will have a longing for intimacy with man involving more than sexual intimacy, yet it will elude her because he will lord over her instead of seeking true intimacy?<br /><br />Just one guy's thoughts here. <br />Yours?Ted S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7159579060332591141.post-45090456564881619962010-03-07T12:33:21.456-05:002010-03-07T12:33:21.456-05:00And http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2010/03/07/why-wa...And http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2010/03/07/why-was-eve-punished/Melisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03849654840545196368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7159579060332591141.post-46338347635843240362010-03-04T23:22:52.410-05:002010-03-04T23:22:52.410-05:00Hey Terry. I read your blog. What a heartbreaking ...Hey Terry. I read your blog. What a heartbreaking story. Sorry I didn't comment over there, it's been kinda crazy lately, so I am just getting to it now. But I did read it and have seen many similar situations, but I would say that is not the majority experience among comps--since most are comps in name only and function like egals. ;)<br /><br />Carlos, I love Kathy Escobar! :)<br /><br />Welcome Mountainguy. I hear you. Even before I identified with the emergent movement, Driscoll never would have appealed to me in the least. :)<br /><br />Thanks for the links Meliss!Tia Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08131181929874342944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7159579060332591141.post-74451241039243534282010-03-04T22:43:11.474-05:002010-03-04T22:43:11.474-05:00Nice blog. I'm colombian, and I feel somewhat ...Nice blog. I'm colombian, and I feel somewhat close to emerging/emergent (though I feel more like an anabaptist-wannabe).<br /><br />saludosmountainguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07697498362966270328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7159579060332591141.post-24552081591403429502010-03-04T21:17:42.348-05:002010-03-04T21:17:42.348-05:00hey tia, welcome back.. and you're right on w...hey tia, welcome back.. and you're right on with the bull dung...why waste your time on m.d? <br />check out kathy escobar's blog - i think you'll like it much better...Carlosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7159579060332591141.post-85985746948735262072010-03-04T19:05:10.481-05:002010-03-04T19:05:10.481-05:00Some good reading on related topics:
http://striv...Some good reading on related topics:<br /><br />http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2010/03/01/women-more-easily-deceived/<br /><br />http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2006/11/15/what-women-really-want/Melisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03849654840545196368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7159579060332591141.post-68220092899135989072010-03-01T07:29:22.716-05:002010-03-01T07:29:22.716-05:00Oh,you will LOVE my post today. Totally worth the ...Oh,you will LOVE my post today. Totally worth the 5-7 minutes, I promise:<br /><br />http://terrybreathinggrace.wordpress.comElspeth https://www.blogger.com/profile/17495546895657214080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7159579060332591141.post-9051949013695597302010-03-01T07:28:15.514-05:002010-03-01T07:28:15.514-05:00Welcome, back, Tia Lynn. Mommyhood hasn't take...Welcome, back, Tia Lynn. Mommyhood hasn't taken away your edge, I see.<br /><br />I haven't followed Mark Driscoll much recently. I started out really liking him, but the more I listened, the more I heard things that I couldn't agree with, so as I've done with most of the more famous preachers and teachers, I tuned out.<br /><br />Something about folks being a "Christian celebrity" rankles me.<br />Feels oxymoronic, you know?Elspeth https://www.blogger.com/profile/17495546895657214080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7159579060332591141.post-44204182313871096982010-02-28T19:09:55.369-05:002010-02-28T19:09:55.369-05:00Keep posting stuff like this i really like itKeep posting stuff like this i really like itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7159579060332591141.post-38314413420933972122010-02-28T12:35:20.599-05:002010-02-28T12:35:20.599-05:00Amen to this post. I'm gonna share it with my ...Amen to this post. I'm gonna share it with my friends! =DJasminehttp://kupercaya.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7159579060332591141.post-11386552043348559572010-02-27T23:19:29.505-05:002010-02-27T23:19:29.505-05:00Hey Robbie. No worries sister friend. I couldn'...Hey Robbie. No worries sister friend. I couldn't start WWIII with you. You are far too sweet. And that's not my goal anyway. <br /><br />As I have said many times, most of my experiences with comps (and many have there been) is that most of them are NOT sexist, at least not maliciously or purposefully, and are NOT degrading toward women, they are only trying to be faithful to their understanding of the bible, and I can totally respect that. <br /><br />Your interpretive lense tells you there is a gender hierarchy as part of the curse, and Paul teaches women are not to have authority, and my interpretive lense teaches me no such thing. So, yes, if I actually believed God was mandating male-only leadership, I'd suck it up and deal with it, but I don't believe that's what the Bible teaches at all. <br /><br />As far as Driscoll goes, I find he has a very low view of humanity in general, and is quite demeaning all around, so I do not doubt what you say about his criticism of men to be true. But even in this statement, he explicitly states that women are more easily deceived and gullible than men--which is to say they are dumber. He may believe man can be dumb too, but women on a whole, are dumber. And ofcourse, I don't believe any man or woman should be ordained either, but I believe it is based by calling and gifting and not on gender. I believe women can and should be ordained pastors, elders, or any other leadership, but I don't believe I am called or gifted to either of those roles. <br /><br />The truth is that PEOPLE are susceptible to deception and weakness and that's why, in general, churches that are build around one charistmatic personality are problematic. There should be a plurality of leaders to keep in check these inherent weakness, not a boys only club. <br /><br />I do not write these kind of posts to degrade my comp brothers and sisters, but because I actually believe the church on a whole (men and women alike) are harmed and short changed when half of God's children are kept out of leadership roles in the Body.Tia Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08131181929874342944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7159579060332591141.post-44743382251037307862010-02-27T21:19:39.683-05:002010-02-27T21:19:39.683-05:00BullshitBullshitCommunitashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13327736000484100063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7159579060332591141.post-9907042128305353002010-02-27T20:33:40.104-05:002010-02-27T20:33:40.104-05:00Classic Driscoll. When is this guy gonna figure ou...Classic Driscoll. When is this guy gonna figure out how much harm he is doing to women? Your post is dead-on. Bullshit is the right word for it.Steven Burlesonhttp://treehousemonastic.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7159579060332591141.post-61932250976308057802010-02-27T19:35:02.460-05:002010-02-27T19:35:02.460-05:00Interesting blog.
Being very familiar with Drisco...Interesting blog.<br /><br />Being very familiar with Driscoll's teaching, I can say that he does not think that women are dumb or stupid. He works very hard at creating an environment that gives respect to women as equal image bearers having the same reasoning faculties as men.<br /><br />His exegesis of the 1 Tim. text in no way implies that men are not gullible or easily deceived, just in other ways (listen to his series on idolatry and you'll hear him deal with men's gullibility).<br /><br />He would never espouse the idea that just any man can be ordained either. He must qualify according to the strict guidelines set in place by God. This is not to hurt the church, but to protect her.<br /><br />If God says that I am more prone to be deceived than a man...shall I not humble myself and acknowledge my weakness? Or do I buck against the results of the Fall and strive after equal standing in 'everything' with men.<br /><br />They are not equal to women in everything...and they don't try to claim it. Men are not threatened by women because they naturally have authority and they know it.<br /><br />God's very curse upon Eve and womankind includes the malediction that women will desire to have authority over men. It's a curse.<br /><br />I don't feel more gullible than men...but I must guard myself against my feelings, which are fallen, and trust the Lord when He says that I am, in this particular area.<br /><br />Tia, not trying to start WWIII...just putting out some thoughts. :) But I def. think that this is too important of an issue (to both of us) to let go.Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03511681281220518483noreply@blogger.com